Is it wrong to hate a hater? {Another word on Charles Juba}
Yes.
It’s wrong to hate. Hating Jews, Blacks, Asians or Whites is wrong. Since writing about Mr. Charles Juba and his interest in opening a 20 and under club in my town, I’ve been under attack personally with these allegations. Here’s some excerpts from a recent email sent to me about my coverage:
You want to know what he has been doing since 2002? For 8 years he has been quiet, right? Then why are you so worried about what he was doing before 2002? Don’t we all have things in our past that are just that, past?? He who is without sin may cast the first stone… are you so innocent? Also, if he has been quiet since 2002 doesn’t that mean something POSITIVE like he isn’t into it anymore, seen the errors of his ways, etc? You are going to browbeat someone for something that is more than 8 years in the past?
I respect your desire to keep Odessa a nice and quiet place, but do you really know what goes on in Odessa when the sun goes down? The drugs and drinking are rampant, the teenage sex almost an epidemic. What are you doing about that? He is trying to open a club for teenagers where they can dance and hang out in a safe environment. You are against that? You prefer the field parties that happen? That’s why I see. I see you being afraid of something you don’t know and that you would rather have the quiet, under the rug issues than having someone you don’t know come into your community.
One last thing, if it came down to the absolute worst and it ended up being a recruiting center, don’t you have enough faith in the youth of your community and the parents that it wouldn’t work. Really? By all this anger you are displaying, and the hatred you are bringing forth are you no better than him? Someone who seems to have tried to be quiet and live his own life, you and your friends are going to stir it all up and make it miserable while you preach about not hating… seems you hate him. Do you need a mirror?
Did he strike a cord with you or are you just so wrapped up in gossip and fear that you have to use your website as a way of making yourself feel important?
Words mean things. What I say has an effect. If I have spewed hate on this site, please click the comment button and illustrate it with concrete evidence. I’ve asked questions and I’ve relayed information.
It seems I wasn’t so off-base. Rarely will I agree with The Pitch of K.C., but in an exercise of bipartisanship, let’s get some facts out there, shall we?
While he says he took himself out of the movement more than five years ago, an organization that monitors hate groups reports that he started a neo-Nazi club in Oak Grove fewer than five months ago.
Courtney Cook-Juba filed for divorce from Charles in August 2009. In December, when the two were trying to reach a custody agreement for their two children, Cook-Juba included the following as an issue regarding restriction of visitation:
“Petitioner [Courtney Cook-Juba] believes Respondent [Charles Juba] will take the children to attend various hate rallies and/or to visit people involved in the Aryan Nations or the National Socialist Movement, some of which are currentty incarcerated.”
Courtney Cook-Juba wasn’t exactly unsupportive of white power. When the former couple agreed on how to split their possessions earlier this year, Charles Juba made sure to keep “2 Nazi flag pillowcases made by his wife.” He probably wanted them to go with the two Klan robes, historical Nazi and Klan documents, and library of books like White Power by G.L. Rockwell, The Turner Diaries by William Luther Pierce and They Say Blood On My Hands by Robert Shelton.
Cook-Juba’s concerns about whether Charles Juba was attending National Socialist Movement rallies were apparently well founded. The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks movement in the white power ranks and in 2003 put Juba on its “40 to Watch” list thanks to his influential tenures in both the International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nations.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck… it’s probably a duck. I will not be afraid to uncover the truth by trumped up charges or allegations which are written from a passionate viewpoint and get out of hand. I am not a hater, and my words have impact. As do yours.
My advice for those who disagree, write a thoughtful comment and provide evidence for your position rather than offering your feelings about what “might” be about someone you supposedly “do not know.”
For those who agree, it is time to step outside of the government — they cannot save us from all ills and aren’t responsible for having an opinion or spreading the Truth. We are. Organize, work, stay atune… this is the way for good to again permeate our rhetoric. The lesson can go with you into many sectors.
Is it possible God is trying to get your attention?
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Additional advise for those who disagree…. I would suggest pondering why you have the right to disagree? Is it because your opinion is more accurate than others? Is it because you make more money than others? Attend a better churches than others? Wear nicer clothes or live in better houses? This is not what gives you the right to disagree. This right to disagree is given to you by your CHOICE to live in the United States where basic rights are upheld by the Constitution and defended by men and women who have sacrificed and continue to sacrifice their lives to defend OUR RIGHTS to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Please remember that HEROS have given their lives to defend our rights of living a life without the government infringing on the free exercise of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to PEACEABLY assemble….. Please feel free to research the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and point out to me where it says that we have the right to pick and choose which religions, assemblies, speeches, media outlets… are covered under these rights. IT IS NOT WRONG TO STAND UP FOR GOOD AND PUBLICALLY SHED LIGHT ON EVIL AS EVIL THRIVES IN DARKENSS! I applaude everyone who has so passionately brought to light the character of the person who tried to bring this business to our town. However, IT IS WRONG, to violate RIGHTS.
I am taking this opportunity to thank a veteran for OUR rights. I thank God for the discernment He has given for us to see good from evil, and the free will to make choices in our lives. I choose to live for Him in the greatest FREE country in the world.
Very good response to the e-mail you had. It seemed that person had strong feelings against you for your last post, when your last post was only a report for those needing to be educated on the subject. You also stated in your last post that you wanted to give him a chance and had called to ask questions. We knew he was shady when he wouldn’t answer any of those questions the community was concerned about. And obviously, the community had a reason to believe he was shady!
I did not read any hate into anything you had said, and appreciate all of your thoughts and comments. Now that Odessa has come together and has a space provided for the youth, I think some investors should change the name of the club and create a place for the under 20 crowd that would be positive!
Thank you for your insightful commentary! My partner just returned to Seattle from a trip to Odessa to visit family and told me about the rallying of the community against the opening of Juba’s club. When I looked up the club name in Google, your blog came up on the first page so I came here to read.
What you have to say is admirable and thought-provoking. Thank you for speaking up and speaking out against hatred without spouting hate yourself.
You are so right…it is up to us as individuals to fight hatred in all its forms.
Actually, he could very well recruit teenagers. If he fills their heads with enough propaganda, some are going to believe and follow. It has nothing to do with the “kids of your community”. It’s all kids. That’s why the mob mentality works so well. That’s why a bunch of kids got it into their heads to set fire to another kid over a bicycle. Because kids (and some adults) can be easily led.